Acupuncture to correct damage done from hormones?
Question by Spicy Chicken Sandwich: Acupuncture to correct damage done from hormones?
Hello,
20 months ago, I fell for a common scam called “bio-identical progesterone”. I became quite ill from the progesterone and I am still healing. I suffer from food and chemical sensitivities and insomnia.
Have you ever heard of acupuncture correcting the damage done from hormones?
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Answer by onlymatch4u
Acupuncture can help, but what you need to do is look at your cholesterol readings. If they are too low, you are not going to make good hormones. If you have ANY infections going on in your body, you will be deficient in minerals and not be able to make good hormones. Progesterone is made from pregnenalone and pregnenalone is made from cholesterol and fats.
Your total cholesterol should be above 240 to be normal. I know you won’t hear that from doctors, but that is because they have no idea what they are doing with hormones. Look what happened when you tried the Bio-identical progesterone. You may need to look at your digestion because that is where a lot of this kind of thing has it’s root cause. If your liver is toxic, you will not be making good bile and your fat digestion will be not good.
The liver makes the bile and sends it to the gallbladder for storage to digest fats. If the bile is viscous or you are eating low fat this and non fat that, you will be creating a big problem for yourself and your hormone production is going to be affected greatly.
Generally speaking, most doctors and practitioners are giving hormones based on symptom presentations and are not performing any baseline testing, or monitoring progress. This can lead to many problems.
I strongly suggest you see a Certified Nutritional Therapist that can help you with this problem. An understanding of how your body works nutritionally can greatly help you and set you on a course of good health.
good luck to you
Give your answer to this question below!
What was the product/treatment that you took?
Unfortunately, bioidentical doesn’t necessarily mean natural, which doesn’t necessarilly mean safe or good.
You’ve fallen for one alt med scam, don’t fall for another. Acupuncture is a placebo treatment.
http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/bioidentical-hormone-replacement/
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=8
I’m going to leave a less professional sounding answer, since I think you probably need this info and you’re on my contact list past.
The super short answer to your question is yes, but you need to have a fairly skilled acupuncturist.
To my knowledge, there are basically 3 only roots which could possibly fix what you have;
accupuncture, homeopathy and naturopathy (specifically a detox+a big diet change). If any of those approaches are done extremely well, the problem should be fixable, and if multiple are done well (but not superbly), the problem should also be solveable.
Most of the extremely good alternative medicine doctors I know tend to combine the above modalities.
So my basic advice for you would be to find the best healer in your area that does some of the practices I listed (if you live by the bay area I can refer you to someone), and go with what they recommend to you.
The acupuncturist (who does also does naturopathy but very little homeopathy) I’m studying under had a patient with a very similar condition a while back who got better, so if you give me a few days I can get the information from him on what he did specifically.
Also I should illustrate my reasoning for why I gave that recommendation; it’s as follows:
Detoxing: A lot of the problems you are listing can come from systemic toxicity, which could have either been brought about by what was in the bio identical progesterone, or from a systemic toxicity being present, and the bio identical progesterone you had just pushing it over the edge (either due to your total toxicity threshold being passed, or the hormones sensitizing the immune system to react more strongly to the already existing toxicity).
Better diet: This is composed of two parts; first supplementing your diet with something that’s now deficient (presumably because of the new load placed on your system; the cholesterol mentioned by an earlier person would be very applicable here). Second, because your system is now more sensitive, reducing the toxicity of your diet so your system has more breathing room to recover. Although that concept is a bit abstract and there are many different changes you could try, I’ll try to illustrate the first one that came to mind. Cut wheat out of your diet, as many people have allergic reactions to it (and gluten is actually responsible for a lot of the chronic health problems in the US). The immune system has a habit of freaking out at everything if it’s subjected to one too many negative things, so if you were to cut a subtle allergen like wheat, it could go a long way towards eliminating some of the food sensitivities until the rest of your system comes together (and of course since gluten is just being cited as an example, there are lots of other things applicable to).
Homeopathic perspective:
Homeopathy is basically the only thing I’ve come across which can consistently eliminate allergies and sensitivities, which you clearly are suffering from. At the same time, it’s also very good at mitigating damage in the body from certain types of negative exposures; so essentially a good homeopath should be able to remove the damage that’s lingering in you from that stuff, and help reset you to where you were before. People tend to have a very polar split on homeopathy in general (either it’s completely worthless or a miracle panacea that can be used for everything); whereas I’ve just found it’s really good for a few things, which potentially largely overlap with what you have.
For the naturopathic approach to work well, you’re going to need a very competent doctor to figure out the exact dietary changes you need to remedy your condition; similarly diagnosing you properly with homeopathy would take a moderately good physician. Hence, either way it boils down much more to the practitioner than the modality employed.
That all said, let’s go to the main topic-acupuncture!
One of the problems you listed (insomina), is almost always a consequence of an imbalance of chi being stuck in the head. The fact that that is there implies to me that
a) the bio-identical progresterone definitely messed up your energy system (assuming the insomnia followed the exposure and there wasnt an extraneous factor involved)
b) since your energy system is messed up, that’s causing a lot of the complications you’re running into. Thus acupuncture is definitely indicated for your condition (*as a quick reference, the acupuncturist I study under regularly fixes hormonal problems-although he commonly uses herbals as well to get the job done).
My immediate guess is that some of your organ systems (ie. the kidneys) which secrete and monitor hormones, got seriously messed up, which led to a cascade reaction and your current situation. Because of that, any ok acupuncturist should be able diagnose which organs are messed up, treat them, and then in turn lead to a lessening of your symptoms.
However, in reality when you treat people especially once you get into the more complicated modalities (such as acupuncture) the full picture of what’s going on with the person is extremely complicated, and there are most likely quite a few things going on with you beyond which also need to be addressed but couldn’t even be noticed without skilled direct observation, hence leading full circle to the original point;
these are the best existing options I know of for your condition, and doing two or more would be optimal but the quality of the doctor is paramount to the method you choose. With more complex conditions that don’t have a standard protocol established for them that rule is almost always true.
Hope that helps!
go go unprofessional answer
I’ve never heard so much rubbish as that answer from Alex!
Acupuncture will not have any effect on your very real sounding illness. You need to see a properly qualified medical doctor and follow their advice.
Throwing one quack cure after another is just asking for trouble.
Edit: Actually KP, seeing as Alex has mentioned homeopathy, acupuncture, detox and then insomnia being caused by “an imbalance of chi in the head” all in one post, as far as a collection of quack claims in one post goes, his is the worst I’ve seen for a couple of months. I’m figuring you’ll struggle to understand this with your contribution of ‘heavy metal detox’ (purrrlease!) which marks you out as being similarly unknowledgeable.
The OP has been scammed by an alt med con man and like many others has suffered for it. How do I get to be a top contributor on here? By ensuring that people like the OP are protected from people like Alex who couldn’t care less that the OP is suffering and just continues to lavish out the punishment. Amongst all the crazy ‘advice’ I see here, the only sensible one: “go and see a doctor” is the one the OP needs most, yet is conspicuous by its absence.
Edit2: No, you’ve just made some ridiculous assumption. There’s nothing to suggest the OP has seen a doctor at all! But then, that’s how alt med works, by leaping to assumptions based on the flimsiest of evidence. Hang around here a bit longer and you’ll see a whole host of people who think that alt med might have some credibility and put their lives at risk by consulting uneducated quacks rather than trained medical experts first. I’m sure you’d like to justify alt med as some ‘last ditch’ choice, but for most of these people that’s just not the case and their health suffers accordingly.
Mind you, if you knew anything about researching information, then acting on that information you wouldn’t have made such a ridiculous post in the first place.
I liked alex’s answer. He however forgot to mention that you may need to really watch your chemical exposure, or do a heavy metal detox. I have heard of cases where people got heavy metal poisoning from synthetic hormones (you’d never expect it would you?), and some of what you’re describing might match that.
My point though is towards Dave; my apologies for raising something not productive to your actual problem SPC.
Dave, how are you a top contributor if you just post simplistic trolling like that? I never tattle on people, so I won’t report you, but that was a really trashy self degrading comment and I think you should man up and take it down yourself.
Your whole answer can be reworded as;
“Hey Alex, I didn’t bother to listen or think about anything you said, but since you mentioned a topic I don’t like, you’re an idiot and you aren’t welcome here.
P.s. since I don’t actually know anything about your condition, while I am qualified to dismiss any advice on the subject, I also have a complete lack of knowledge.”
Build this community up, don’t drag it down. If you want to disagree with the merits of an approach outside your belief system that’s fine, I respect other people having differing viewpoints. Leaving comments like that however, I can’t support and should be called out.
Reply to your edit;
Forgetting all the ranting about the self righteous trip you’re on, there is one part of your response I take serious exception to.
Sorry my apologies Dave, since you don’t have that much experience with working with actual patients, I’ll try to explain why your recommendation doesn’t apply.
There are a lot of chronic diseases and disorders popping up in this era that modern medicine cannot deal with, and at best can prescribe drugs to partially alleviate the symptoms. One of the most classic examples is exposure to an agent which causes an individual’s system to collapse.
People in this situation typically seek the advice of multiple doctors, and get referred from one specialist to the next without anything being done for them and instead being told their condition can’t be fixed. At some point, many individuals in this circumstance get angry at modern medicine for failing them and start doing research on their own for the problem, and seeking answers outside normal medicine since normal medicine could not provide them. This includes seeing the quack methods you scorn so much.
Thus we have to go full circle to your robotic response of “you need to go see a doctor.”
A statement like that is incredibly condescending and demeaning to the person suffering in this case.
Do you honestly think that someone who has had a dehabilitating illness for 2 years would not have possibly considered to see a doctor already?
Hey I’m sick!
I really don’t want to be sick!
Being sick is causing me a lot of problems!
Doctors exist to fix people being sick!
For some reason though, I’m mentally deficient and didn’t think to see a doctor after 2 years.
You offered no productive advice, flamed another person here, and insulted the intelligence of the asker. That’s it.
Feel free to refute my point.
Acupuncture cannot help in this instance. TBH there is only weak evidence it is of much benefit in ANY instance. Acupuncture is based on a metaphysical concept of which there is no plausible scientific rationale. How can sticking needles in you possibly correct hormone levels ?
Using one unproven Altie scam to heal you from the damage of another unproven Altie scam just doesn’t make much sense. But, I would actually question what “damage” your are healing from. Though bioidentical hormones is a scam, there is no long term damage from progesterone. The damage you describe sounds more psychological. Pursue that.
For the record, I have never heard of acupuncture correcting hormonal damage, and there is no evidence for it either.